Can Breath Be an Expression of Love?

[00:00:00] Speaker A: I was at a very low point in my life, very low point. And my relationship had just blown up and my house had just blown up and I was building a house that went away and my career went away and literally I was in meditation and my higher self, my guides, God, whatever you want to call it, literally, I was like, what do I do? And the thing that came in was, you need to breathe. [00:00:25] Speaker B: Welcome to Came Here to Love, a podcast hosted by me, Liz Logan, where we explore heart centered conversations with visionary leaders from around the world. This podcast is a journey into wisdom, a path to transformation, and an invitation to catch the highest vibration of all. Love elevating our lives and connecting us more deeply to ourselves and the world around us. Our mission is simple, to live with passion, align with purpose, and spread more love. In each episode, we invite compassionate leaders to share insights, personal breakthroughs, and heart inspired ideas that impact change not only in our own lives, but also in our communities and the world beyond. Whether you're seeking new perspectives, deeper connection, or a sense of purpose, Came Here to Love offers transformative insights that inspire, enlighten, and remind us all why we're here. To love. [00:01:22] Speaker A: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Came Here to Love. I'm really excited that you're here with me today and I always give you something that I'm loving right now. I'm actually saving it for inside the episode because I want to talk to my guest about it. So stay tuned on that. I am absolutely loving something right now and I'm going to deep dive into it in our episode. But first, I want to tell you about our upcoming episode. Today we are sitting down with a genius that I have gotten to know really well over the last several months and I'm just so excited that we get to sit down in conversation with him. He is actually a legal drug dealer, or was for many years, since he was 24 years old. And so it's kind of a risky conversation, but actually he was eager to bring good health into his community and so he became a pharmacist. And so yes, that is a legal drug dealer. But what he was witnessing is instead of people getting better, he was actually realizing that a lot of his patients would leave with bags of drugs and they never would really get better. And they were kind of consistently taking medications. And in fact, he even saw some of his patients having to add more medications into the mix to counteract the negative side effects of the previous medications. A lot of us know this cycle, right? And so these people were actually staying in that sick zone and really kind of being debilitated. Some of them would even develop deeper diseases and side effects from all of this. So that obviously had a huge impact on my guest. And his stress and unfulfilling lifestyle was really catching up to him to the point where he found himself in the system and he developed colitis. He was housebound for over a year, and the medical community, his doctors said that he was in an incurable position and that he would need to take medications for the rest of his life. And so he had a profound pivot where he needed to decide was he going to continue down this path of conventional medicine, or was he going to take a leap of faith and really dive deep into his own profound healing journey? And I will spoil it by telling you that he chose the second. And that's what our conversation is about. It is going to be profoundly deep into the healing and everything that he's done up to this point. And it's a very, very rich conversation. So get ready, grab a cup of tea, whatever you're drinking, and let's dive deep into. My guest, Neeraj Nayak. Welcome. I was just saying to my audience that normally I bring something that I love into their realm each week. And so I waited to tell them what I'm loving right now, because I wanted to talk about it with you, but I'm obsessed, obsessed with your Colostrum product. So we can dive deep into this. But tell me, I mean, why am I loving this over every other product I've tried? What. What is in this powder? [00:04:26] Speaker C: Probably because it's one that actually works, unlike a lot of other supplements. The thing with Colostrum is it's. I don't call it a supplement, really. It's a food. It's actually the first food that you will ever consume as a baby. The mother's colostrum. [00:04:43] Speaker A: Right. From her breast milk. [00:04:44] Speaker C: Yeah. And the purpose of that colostrum is it strengthens the lining of the gut and allows the baby to be able to digest normal food. But then it also gives the immune system from the mother. So it's full of antibodies, immune factors, growth factors, and it generally is like a tonic, a supertonic, that helps the development of the baby. When babies are deficient in colostrum, they can get early childhood issues, childhood allergies, because of the leaky gut. Yeah. In general, they can have a lower immunity as a result. Now, these clever Ayurvedic doctors in India thousands of years ago figured out that you can supplement the cow's colostrum so you don't have to go out and find pregnant mothers. Right. Or breastfeeding mothers. [00:05:31] Speaker D: Right. [00:05:32] Speaker C: You can use the same colostrum from a cow. [00:05:36] Speaker D: Right. [00:05:37] Speaker C: But it's a thousand times more potent. And the cow produces four times the amount of colostrum than what the calf needs. So the calf is never deficient in colostrum. [00:05:48] Speaker D: Right. [00:05:49] Speaker A: It's actually funny you're saying this because I used to go to a dairy farm in Vermont for Thanksgiving, and I would go milk the cows in the morning, and we would always take the colostrum to the babies separate from everything else. And I remember I was like, putting it on my skin because back then that's what I knew to do. I was like, okay, I know this is really expensive product for my face, so I'm going to put it there. But. But to ingest it in the powder, I mean, it literally, I can tell you guys, I felt a difference after day two. I mean, it was so shockingly effective. So anyways, we're going to. We're going to put this product at the link below the show notes. So definitely grab it for, well, digestive health, for sure, but overall health, you know, it's just part of my vitality routine. So in the morning, it's kind of the first thing that I put in my mouth after my oil pulling. [00:06:42] Speaker C: So, so the reason I used it was because I had ulcers of colitis, which is ulcers in your colon. And I was bleeding, like, a lot. And as soon as I started taking it, the bleeding stopped, which is a sign that the gut was healing again. And then within, like a week or two, like, I was feeling, like human again. So it works really well for people with ibd, ulcerative colitis, Crohn's, even anyone with any kind of digestive health issue, it works. But also, bodybuilders use it because it helps the growth factors help. [00:07:15] Speaker D: Right? [00:07:15] Speaker C: Muscle. [00:07:16] Speaker A: Yeah. To me, you know, I take people to Austria to a digestive clinic to rebalance the systems. I will say everybody in America needs this product because our guts are so out of balance. And, you know, as we're talking about some of the other things that you're develop, you've developed in your life, one of the things that I'm noticing is I'm happier and of course, because of the microbiome in the gut that has so much to do with our brain health. So I'm telling you, like, this is my. I'm now a groupie for your colostrum. I think I bought A case of it to take to Mexico. So I'm very excited about it. [00:07:52] Speaker C: Very nice. [00:07:52] Speaker A: So what are you loving in your life right now? Is there anything that. [00:07:56] Speaker C: A lot of things. The family, the baby growing up. She's very exciting. And she's. [00:08:03] Speaker A: She's two. [00:08:05] Speaker C: She's almost two now. In a few days. In about half a week. 14th of October. [00:08:10] Speaker A: What is she into? [00:08:11] Speaker C: She loves music. She's. She's obsessed with dancing and music. So. Yeah, that's. That's really cool because that's. That's what I'm into. [00:08:20] Speaker A: Of course. Of course. Yeah. So we're going to dive deep into your story. I prefaced your intro with the background of drug dealer as your title and then where that really led you into your new journey of health. But I didn't really go deeper into that. I'd love for you to talk about your music connection and really how you went from drug dealer, pharmacist. I love that, by the way, to where you are now. And obviously the path was your journey to health. [00:08:49] Speaker D: But. [00:08:50] Speaker A: But take us kind of from there to now where you are now. [00:08:54] Speaker C: When I was a lot younger, when I was like 19, I started running events. First university and then a big club in my hometown where I had a 2,000 people event that went on for three years every month. And it was. [00:09:08] Speaker A: It was a music event. [00:09:10] Speaker C: Yeah, it was a big rave for three years. It was a. It was an institution. Like everyone knew about it, you know, it was an amazing event. But I was a bit of a illegal drug dealer back then and we sold a lot of stuff and I passed a lot of things through the club to make sure we had the best supply. And yeah, it made the events extremely memorable, extremely fun, a little bit messy and hedonistic. So in the end, like, actually I got in with the wrong people and I ended up losing everything and ended up having to fall back on my degree, which was a pharmacy degree. So I ended up becoming a pharmacist for seven years of hell doing that. But that was actually the best thing that happened to me. So it was like going into jail, like a prison sentence for all my sins. But it ended up being a blessing in disguise. And it's where I really learned about what it means to be healthy. Not because of the pharmaceuticals, but because actually, in a way, yes, because the pharmacy. [00:10:09] Speaker D: Right. [00:10:10] Speaker C: And I ended up getting sick with an autoimmune disease myself after a lot of stress working in a corporate rat race. And I actually got myself out of the job as a pharmacist because I got really good at getting people off the drugs, you know, now as a legal drug dealer. So I was getting people off the medicines. And I did it by changing people's lifestyles just through writing shopping lists. Office of a really big corporation. I was carrying out a healthy shopping service. And then six months into it, like it was all supposed to go live. They decided to shelve the idea for whatever reason. And I just lost all my faith. I couldn't believe it. I was like, why would they not want such an important thing to, you know. [00:10:51] Speaker D: Right, right. [00:10:52] Speaker A: Where is this in the world? Where were you? [00:10:54] Speaker C: This was in the uk. Okay. And then I ended up having to go back to my pharmacy degree. I mean, my pharmacy career. But at the same time, that's when I got hit with an autoimmune disease. And now I'm housebound for almost a year, basically shedding blood 40 times a day. Wow, you're bleeding big time, like every day. So I lost like a third of my body weight. I was gonna have my colon removed. And then there was a moment where I had to make a choice. Either be a guinea pig for a drug hasn't been tested or have my colon removed. So that's when, you know, I went really inward. And I was very desperate because I was only 32 at the time. So nappy at that time. It's pretty embarrassing. [00:11:37] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:11:38] Speaker C: But then somebody came to rescue a amazing yoga teacher in the UK called Swamiya Mukananda, who's a friend of our family. She said, you know, you've got a gift. If you can turn this around with your tenacity and wanted to help people, you might be able to, you know, have a story that can inspire a lot of people. And it was kind of a self filling prophecy because she taught me the foundations of Ayurveda, the breathing practices from pranayama and techniques. And within a few months I was back to full health. One of the things that really helped me was the colostrum, which is actually an ayurvedic medicine. [00:12:11] Speaker D: Right. [00:12:12] Speaker C: That's something I discovered just going through this crazy rabbit hole journey of trying to figure out how to heal myself. But the breathing techniques were so effective at turning off the stress and getting into these kind of trance like states where you can reprogram the unconscious mind. And that's when I fell in love with music again. Making music instead of rave music. I was making this beautiful ambient, you know, relaxing music, that ceremonial music. Really kind of. Yeah, yeah. I mean like this kind of Very soothing, therapeutic brainwave music that had become popular at the time. And that became my first actual online offering because as I healed myself, I was like, how do I, I want to share this with everybody. And I started to upload it to YouTube, like my music. And then I found this guy in America who made amazing meditations that really helps me as well. So we joined forces because I went really deep into studying online marketing. At times I needed to get my stuff out there. So. [00:13:09] Speaker D: Right. [00:13:10] Speaker C: So I created a membership site with this guy. And he was only 17 at the time. He was like this genius prodigy child prodigy. And we actually got to a point where he didn't ever have to have a job again because he was making enough money from that they didn't to university or anything. And I, yeah, didn't have to go back to my job. So that led to then the renegadepharmacist.com, which was my first, like kind of, that went really viral. And then I built this music therapy business that took off and then eventually that led to Soma Breath and. Because I started to really go deep into the breath because I felt breath is the real pharmacy that we all have. And it was what really helped me. And then I met Wim Hof and I became the right hand man of Wim Hof for a bit. Created the soundtrack to the Wim Hof method. Went on tour with him. [00:14:03] Speaker D: Sure. [00:14:03] Speaker A: That was crazy. [00:14:05] Speaker C: Yeah, that was wild. And we're still very good friends. But I wanted to branch out and do my own school that has more pharmacy of techniques that became so my breath. And boom. Now you've got like over 3,000 instructors around the world. [00:14:20] Speaker D: It's crazy. [00:14:21] Speaker A: It's, it's, it's. You know, I think for me, I've been teaching Breath wellness modalities for the last 22 years. And it's an interesting thing, breath, because I think even, even as a teacher and watching people breathe, it's something that we don't do and we don't do consciously. And it was actually my story. Connection to you is kind of a profound one because I was at a very low point in my life, very low point. And my relationship had just blown up and my house had just blown up and I was building a house that, that went away and my career went away and literally I was in meditation and my higher self, my guides, God, whatever you want to call it, literally, I was like, what do I do? And the thing that came in was, you need to breathe. And it was so profound because the Way it came in, it was like a lightning bolt, which always are those moments that you have to pay attention to. But I was like, what does that mean? And for the first time in my life, I was like, what does breath really mean? What does it mean to breathe? And not the way that I had known it up to this point through, you know, the various practices and modalities. And so I actually ended up doing some research online, and I came across you. And subsequently, that dove me deep. And the thing that I love about what you've done with Soma is combining the rhythmic beat to music with the conscious awareness of breath. It's such a profound experience for the brain to actually calm down and really let the breath translate into the body, into this beautiful transmission. I've never experienced anything like it, really. So it's profound work you're doing. [00:16:12] Speaker C: Thank you. Yeah. Rhythmic breathing is a foundation of yogic breathing, of course, because everything, every function in the body is rhythmic, and every function is these biorhythms are subservient to the rhythm of the breath. So if your breath becomes erratic, it affects the biorhythms, of course, from the menstrual cycle to your heartbeat to your digestive cycle, you know, sleep cycle. So by just doing a few minutes of rhythmic breathing a day, you can start to bring balance. [00:16:43] Speaker A: But what I've noticed is, while that's true, I still think it's really tricky for people to be focused around breath and around that discipline. And so what you've done is kind of made this creative platform, giving us permission to, like, really sit in the breath. I mean, it really is that present moment where you bring people to and say, let's just hang out here for a second, put some good music on, you know, and let's just really get the breath integrated consciously into the system so that it's not just, okay, you need to breathe more. Because so many people say, oh, well, you just need to breathe. And it's like, that doesn't translate as well. So even. Even pranayama, the way I've done it in the past, whether it's been in yoga class or in a meditation, the translation wasn't as profound as what you've done with this combination of Soma. So check out Soma. There'll be links to that below. But I want you to take us back, actually, because obviously you had this major transformational moment where you pivoted from a very medical modality in the pharmaceutical realm to really fighting for your life. I mean, you were not in A good position. I know a lot of people that have had colitis. It's brutal. It's very brutal. What was kind of the thing that brought you into that moment of knowing? Like, was it your wisdom? What was it that you felt comfortable going, okay, I can do this holistically, and I can go on that path? Tell us a little bit about that. [00:18:15] Speaker C: It was desperation. Like, there was no other choice. Either have my colon removed or do be on a drug trial. Right. [00:18:24] Speaker A: But that's the journey. Like, to take your colon out was an option. So I'm just saying, for you, what made you not do that? [00:18:32] Speaker C: Well, I think it's the timing. Like, I was very fortunate that I have a family friend, you know, who's an amazing yoga teacher in the uk, and she is the one who shifted my perception because I lost all hope, to be honest. I was, like, ready to die. If I died, it would have been okay. She's the one who said, look, you've got a gift. If you can turn this around, you can be amazing role model. That's the thing that inspired, gave me hope. I didn't really believe her at first, but. But, you know, because I'm not into this sort of stuff back then, like, yoga and, like, it. It didn't register me because we're a, you know, second. I mean, I'm a second generation in England. We've been really educated out of our own culture. My parents already don't believe in that stuff. So she was super concerned. I chose not to take the drugs. Everyone around me is a medical doctor or a pharmacist. [00:19:30] Speaker D: Right? [00:19:32] Speaker C: They were all saying, you're insane. Like, you're crazy. But it was that shift in perception. So because I had no hope, it was like. Like, you know, there was no other option. [00:19:42] Speaker D: Right. [00:19:43] Speaker C: I had to let go of my disbelief and just believe in trust in my swami. Because she had cured herself from cancer in the past. And also heart problems, heart disease. That's how she became a yoga teacher. She was actually a white South African lady from Johannesburg, so. So she's not even a likely candidate to be a swami, like. [00:20:05] Speaker D: Right, right. [00:20:06] Speaker C: Like yogi. But she's very well known in the uk. She has a charity with Sting. She runs a big chariot. [00:20:12] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. [00:20:14] Speaker C: So. And she runs this charity called the Mukti foundation that I support as well. And because of that, I was really fortunate. So actually, one of the things that when I got better, I made a pact, which was. But not everyone has a swami at hand. [00:20:29] Speaker D: Right? [00:20:30] Speaker C: You know, so my point was I need to duplicate her and me and scale that right. In order to help other people not suffer like I did. [00:20:40] Speaker D: Right. [00:20:40] Speaker C: So my whole drive was to help people not suffer because the colitis symptoms are so debilitating. Imagine you're spending your whole day on the toilet. No, it's actually so bad. And I spend so much time in the toilet. I had a social media network app called ipu, and it was basically Facebook for people in the toilet. [00:21:01] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:21:02] Speaker C: I'm not even kidding. [00:21:04] Speaker A: That is. That is the culture I know nothing about. It's fascinating. [00:21:08] Speaker C: So people would, like, talk about. Well, they just crap that day. That was like, God, what? [00:21:13] Speaker A: Alone? Yeah. Lonely, lonely place. But I. But I also, you know, I think that so much of our pivotal moments in life, you know, we do have the choices of going left or right. And it's always awesome when there's a guide that comes in to help you choose in the right way for your highest purpose. But I also believe in knowing you. I also believe that you have such connection to your intuitive wisdom and your intuition. And I think that maybe that was the first moment where you really tapped into that and said, okay, not even knowing it. I'm not saying you were conscious at the time, but looking back on that, I mean, surrounding by that much medical. It's just. It's a really cool story that. That's the route you took. [00:22:02] Speaker C: Well, I'm a bit of a rebel anyway, so. Yeah, you are the opposite of what other people tell me. That's. [00:22:07] Speaker A: That's actually true. That's actually true. [00:22:09] Speaker C: Also, I'm an artist. I'm a creative. So I will always see what people who aren't like that see. You know, I can see other possibilities. That's. That's something that artists have, like this visionary ability. Right. So. So I just started to focus on what would happen. What would my life be like if I did get better. What would I do with this? So I started to write a story in my head. You know, I retold the story. This is one of the tricks is you have to change the script in your head. [00:22:37] Speaker D: Right. [00:22:38] Speaker C: So I would tell. I would basically write my book as though it's already happened. But I was writing my book about when I've got better. So I was. I kept telling myself this story as though I've already written it in the present moment in my head, over and over, over again. You also use that as part of a meditation practice as well, because this is one of the books I discovered called the power of your subconscious. Mind by Joseph Murphy. And he talked. He was actually a Christian Scientist, but he also studied Ayurveda. It was very unique. He brought the two worlds together. He developed his own process called scientific prayers. In fact, Tony Robbins guru is Joseph Murphy. He's the one who. He learned a lot of stuff from his books anyway. And he's a lot of. He basically spurned the whole personal development scene. Actually. He's one of the early pioneers of it. So I created my own scientific prayers. And one of his points is to say affirmations about what you want as though it's already 100%. [00:23:40] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [00:23:41] Speaker C: Which we all know is very common now in this personal relevant world to do that. But the way I would do it is in a form of a story. Creating a movie in my mind and then seeing myself actually already doing it in this movie. Because you want to have the voice in your head. I'm auditory, so I would use a lot of words and tell stories and speak to myself in my mind. But some people are more visionary and some people are more kinesthetic. So I would like kind of blend this mind movie where I'd really feel being better. Right. And just keep doing it and having faith. But when you do it in with the music, the music basically changes the state. So a more Alpha Theta state where you're more receptive to suggestion. And then with the breath, the pranayama techniques, you change your state and you go deeper and deeper into these very soothing breath retention states. [00:24:29] Speaker D: I love that. [00:24:30] Speaker C: Basically still your mind. And this is where the power of meditation or affirmation is heightened. So if you look at our summer breath practice, this combination of breath work with this amazing soothing rhythmic music and meditation music. But then also a mind movie meditation, which creates a story in your head as though it's already happened. You create like a movie in your mind. Because our mind is very holographic in nature. [00:24:55] Speaker D: Right. [00:24:56] Speaker C: Project out, you know, holographically our visions. Right. And we see memories in different locations. So this was a big part of it. But then actually what happened there was another turning point because that wasn't enough. Because five years later, I went to do a darkness retreat in India. And my friends, Shashi Saluna, she's one of the top tantra teachers in the world. I know. Other than the ones who probably live in the midst of the jungles of India. [00:25:23] Speaker D: Right, right. [00:25:24] Speaker C: The best person to translate this stuff because she lived there with these Indian tantricas. So she really understands it. And she's Oxford University trained, you know, person. [00:25:35] Speaker A: So she's really explain really quickly what a dark retreat is. Just so. [00:25:39] Speaker C: Yes, retreat is where you go into darkness for seven days, seven night. And you do these Tibetan Tantric practices for that week which basically unravels your life. And you will have your whole life unfold in front of you. Like a near death experience. You know, they say that when you're about to die, your life flashes before your eyes. Well, imagine the darkness after two or three days. The melatonin is so potent in your head that you get confused at what's dream world and what's real world. And then your life starts to unfold because you have. You invoke like a near death experience. [00:26:14] Speaker D: Right. [00:26:14] Speaker C: You don't actually die, you just trigger that states in your. [00:26:17] Speaker D: Right. [00:26:18] Speaker C: And you get very deep with the. You get very introspective because your senses are shut off. Like if you shut off sites, you become. [00:26:26] Speaker A: Of course. Yeah. [00:26:28] Speaker C: It's much easier to tune in otherwise you're very distracted. [00:26:31] Speaker A: Were you scared going into that? [00:26:33] Speaker C: Oh yeah, yeah. So this is what happens. So I already had an intense fear of the dark unconsciously because when I was a kid I had an intense fear of the dark. I wouldn't sleep on my own for a long time. Then what happened was, I think as I was about to go in the dark, this intense fear crept in and I started to get the symptoms again of the colitis, like quite bad. Wow, I don't think I can do this. Like I'm getting colitis again. This is crazy. And she said this is a karmic. Sorry. A manifestation of this illness so that you can karmically clear it once and for in the dark. She said it was such sincerity. I was like, okay, all right, I trust her. [00:27:15] Speaker D: Yeah, you get it? [00:27:16] Speaker C: Yeah. And then the first two or three days was hell because you need to go to the toilet 20, 30 times. [00:27:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:22] Speaker C: You're in the dark and you have to find your way using a rope. And if you miss the rope, you get totally lost, you know. And this funny thing is they say this souls meet in the dark. And there was this gut health specialist, of course. She's the one who kept finding me out of all the people and taking me to the toilet. [00:27:42] Speaker A: So she was a participant with you or she was no way. [00:27:46] Speaker C: Famous. [00:27:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it's amazing. [00:27:48] Speaker C: Well known one from America who was at this retreat. We became like soul mates after that called Dr. Judy. She's an amazing lady. So she took me to the toilet. She saved me actually, because otherwise it was super tough. Anyway, in the third day, then what happens is you start to go back in time, your life starts to unravel and your greatest fears come up and all the conflicts you've ever had, they've not been resolved. And the turning point was this one moment where I went into this lucid dream, which was so real, so vivid. And it was basically me climbing up this mountain, right? I was getting to the top and it was freezing. It was like sub zero temperatures. And I was with this guy, familiar voice saying, oh my God, I think we've gone too far. And it was Wim Hof's voice. And I was like, oh, if he says we've gone too far, we've gone too far, you know, that's it, we're in trouble. [00:28:41] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [00:28:42] Speaker A: And especially coming from him. [00:28:44] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. If he says he never hasn't, right? So then I remember slipping and this, his hand reaching out to grab me and I'm flying back and he misses. And I'm flying, flying, flying back. But I land on this, the snow. But I don't die, right? I don't fall that far. And then I just hear this bellow laughter and basically it's Wim Hof laughing because he's like, actually, we made it to the top. And I'm like, holy shit. And then at that time, because you get so much gas with clients, I let rip this crazy bad fart that. [00:29:23] Speaker A: The whole retreat could hit the release. Yeah. [00:29:27] Speaker C: That then triggered everybody to crack up laughing. So then it was a hysterical like laughing, like ceremony for like the next hour. It was crazy. Like everyone just couldn't stop laughing. And that rewired, reframed fear in me and colitis. Part of it is you're yourself. So, yeah, fear manifests, right? And then the rest of the retreat. I remember moments of my life starts to unfold where like all the moments of fear against my parents, like people being bullied as a kid, all of these things start to come to service. All the greatest fears I had. And I remember my mum had a. Quite a. She had a. I mean, she had a very bad marriage actually. And when I was in the womb, it was a very hostile environment in a house, my mom and her. My dad's mum didn't get on. My dad's mom, sorry. My dad rejected my mom because of that. There's a lot of conflict. My mom just wanted to escape, but she had me. There's a lot of fear in my mom. [00:30:28] Speaker A: Of course it was transferred. [00:30:29] Speaker C: So all that transfers into you and that's probably why I had an intense fear of the dark, because my time in the womb. [00:30:36] Speaker A: Your whole time? [00:30:36] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:30:37] Speaker C: Quite stressful. But then it all resolves itself. Right. And then at the end of the show, actually it's back to full health. It was crazy. So it just lasted that one week. [00:30:47] Speaker A: Did it feel like forever since. [00:30:50] Speaker C: No, you get used to it. It's amazing like how you get used to it in the end. You enjoy it. You actually start to like it. [00:30:57] Speaker A: I'm sure it's like solitude. [00:31:00] Speaker C: Yeah. But then like, what I was thinking was because it works so profound, I was like, how do I replicate what happened to me in seven days, seven nights for other people who don't have the way of going. [00:31:11] Speaker A: Capacity. [00:31:12] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:31:13] Speaker C: Right. So that's the whole. If you look at the seventh breath transformational coaching course, it's all the techniques within the dark. And we encourage people to do a lot of the practices with blindfolds. [00:31:24] Speaker D: Right. [00:31:25] Speaker C: You shut off the sight. [00:31:26] Speaker D: Right. [00:31:26] Speaker C: And some of the practices, I mean all of them are designed to rewire, reframe the voice in your head, the story that you tell yourself, and to help you create forgiveness and compassion for past events that have happened in your life that have led you to where you are. And so, you know, we can't replicate the darkness for everybody, but we can. There's ways we can mimic it. And especially all the practices I did with Shashi in the Dark was so profound on the tantric practices. This became our, in the end, the transformational coaching course. And there's been other. [00:31:58] Speaker D: That's amazing. [00:31:59] Speaker C: That's a part of it. That's a more therapy side. [00:32:01] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:32:02] Speaker C: I went to India. I discovered these. I went to India on a few different missions, but this one mission, I discovered these after school workshops of kids where they were activating the. Thy. The third eye, the pineal gland. And between 6 and 14 years old is when the kids are most susceptible to their third eye being awakened. And when that happens, they have super sensory abilities. They can. They get like a sixth sense. Right. They can see in the dark, as in they. You blindfold them completely and they can tell you like different colors of objects. They can read text messages. It's wild. And they even ride down busy streets in Bombay with bikes. [00:32:45] Speaker A: Wow. [00:32:46] Speaker C: And not get run over. [00:32:47] Speaker A: Wow. [00:32:47] Speaker C: Insane. Playing football and doing keepy uppies blindfolded. I was like, this is crazy. This is insane. [00:32:53] Speaker A: And also so cool that they're doing that. That they're. [00:32:56] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can find. [00:32:58] Speaker D: That's insane. [00:32:59] Speaker C: Yeah. They're called Midbrain activation workshops. So I was there. My business one at the time, he was a magician, five hand magician. But he went into NLP and hypnotherapy. So it was a weird combination, me and him because we were both into this mind power stuff. But he's a magician so he could debunk magic. So we were like, why we're going to debunk this? Because they look like magic tricks. [00:33:21] Speaker D: Right. [00:33:22] Speaker C: And we couldn't. There was these. Some of the kids are cheating. [00:33:25] Speaker A: You could tell, but of course you gotta have those. [00:33:28] Speaker C: Yeah. There was a few kids in every workshop that had undeniable six sensibilities. Right. So I was like, wow, okay, there's something here. So then we took this method to. In England. I trained in it and I started to activate kids of our friends. Friends, kids, they were getting it. So I was like, okay, there's more to it. We've just been doing a Gary's kid. Actually, Gary's starts. Gary's kid starts. He's like only five at the moment. But he started to develop the power. And actually what happens, the side effects, you get accelerated learning, but you become more kind and compassionate. It's weird, of course, because it creates the whole brain connection. [00:34:07] Speaker A: Right, of course. And you're tapping into a different dimension. [00:34:11] Speaker C: And you get this intuition. They feel more people. And since that point, he has been a different kid. With my daughter, he would like pick on her a little bit, bully her. He was still very sweet, but now he like. It's like she's his sister. [00:34:27] Speaker A: He sees the world differently. [00:34:29] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:34:29] Speaker C: So I was, okay, how do I replicate this? Because they do do it with adults, but it's much harder in adults to activate. [00:34:35] Speaker D: Right. [00:34:35] Speaker C: The logical brain has formed. So I was like, how do I do this with adults? And a breath is a big part of it. The breath techniques, we have a certain breath. So. So that became part of the transformation coaching course as well, where I put in those techniques. So if you look at our techniques in sewing breath, it's like goes way beyond work. [00:34:54] Speaker A: It's profound. No, it's profound. It's what it's actually after, After I started doing your breath work, I was like, I have to get trained in this. Because what you're doing and what you know, it's, it's. I feel like you're tapping into ancient wisdom, but you're bringing it into a platform that's modern day technology and modern day use. And so it's really the best of both worlds because you are. It's Interesting that you've kind of lost the heritage of the Indian descent that you come from because now you're bringing it back into the world. And so it's a very cool overlapping of ancient wisdom with modern, modern day life. And it's genius. So tell me, because this came here to love, how does love play into all of this? Because you actually define love in such a beautiful way that I. I hope you know what I'm talking about, but if not, I'll tell you what I'm talking about. But tell me a little bit more about how does love play into all of your. Your work. [00:35:51] Speaker C: Well, there's a definition. I redefine love into an acronym. L, O, V, E. Level of vibrational energy. [00:36:00] Speaker A: It's a level of vibrational energy, which I love. [00:36:04] Speaker C: We have a scale of emotion, right? That we have the highest emotional state. Where you're full of love is peace, right? Peace at peace. And then the lowest on the vibrational scale is apathy, where you have no love for yourself or life or anything. You can't even get out of bed. You're just apathetic. That's real deep depression. You have depression, but off, even further off that scale is apathy, right? The worst form of severe depression where you literally can't. You're like, still, you can't even. [00:36:35] Speaker D: You can't function. [00:36:36] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. So all of our practices, what they're designed to do is to take you from these low vibrations, these low moods, because low moods for a long time creates chronic stress which leads to disease. That's what happened to me, right? So every technique and every practice is all leading to getting you high, right? Higher on this vibrational step, actually you feel high at the end of it. You feel elevated, you have a boost and you move up the scale where you go into more like passion, joy and peace, right? So when people even experience that just for a bit, it may be for some people, the first time in years or forever where they felt such a state of bliss and peace. So when you feel that, it changes that it rewires the brain well and it's addicting. [00:37:23] Speaker A: You're like, I want more of that. [00:37:25] Speaker C: Yeah. And then you get. You actually get finding easier than to get into that state without doing any practices. That's actually what we want with, so breath is that people can access these states without needing to do any techniques, right? Where it becomes your default state. [00:37:37] Speaker D: Right. [00:37:38] Speaker C: One of our techniques are designed to do that. And we do it by changing your physiology first. Everything we do is a result of feeling Right. If you go back to every event in your life is usually triggered by feeling something. And feelings of thoughts are interacted. They interact. So your thoughts can affect how you feel and feelings can affect how you think. [00:37:58] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:37:59] Speaker C: To me, it affects the quality of your decisions. Right. So decisions is what guides us through life, navigates us through life. It decides we go down one path or another. [00:38:08] Speaker D: All right? [00:38:09] Speaker C: So your quality of your decisions affect quality of your results and actions, Your actions and results. So ultimately you are as good as how well you think, your quality of your thoughts, decisions, and that's influenced so much by how you feel. So, you know, miserable people go on and make other people miserable. They. They make decisions that harm others and themselves. Right. I'm relate. Right. [00:38:35] Speaker A: Yeah, of course. [00:38:36] Speaker C: My mission is to make people naturally high happy and healthy so that they go and do good things. [00:38:42] Speaker A: Good things in life. [00:38:42] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:38:43] Speaker C: Right. But here's another definition of love. So this is one that actually is really important to understand. Is that the problem with love as well? And that's why I don't use love as a emotion that we want to go for. Really. Love, okay. Is something we can get obsessed with. It can become an obsession and it can come and go. [00:39:07] Speaker A: So the thing that I love about this acronym that Neeraj has come up with, the level of vibrational energy, that's really the premise of what we're talking about on Came here to love. It's not the emotion necessarily of love, which Neeraj is going to talk about in a minute, but it's really about how do you align yourself with your higher self so that you can stay in that high vibrational frequency. And as he was just saying, everything then changes around that. Your thoughts, your emotions, even people that you call into your life, everything pivots around that vibrational frequency. So now we can talk about the other side of love, which is that addiction that. That kind of emotional addiction that has the downside that really our ego attaches more to and kind of takes us into this tailspin. So go ahead and highlight that one as well. [00:39:59] Speaker C: Yeah. So love comes and goes. Right. And. And if we're obsessed with it, if we really obsessively in love with something, like, you know how it is when you're in love with somebody and you're obsessed with that person, and then they don't answer your call or they ghost you for like a few hours, you could freak the shit out. Right. And it affects us. It can cause stress. Same thing if you're really in love with playing an instrument or Music and you, this is your passion and you want to share it with the world, but you're never getting that break. [00:40:33] Speaker D: Right. [00:40:34] Speaker C: Musicians can. Some of the people that suffer the most with depression because it's so hard to make it as an artist. Right. They suffer with this because they love what they do so much. But if they can't do it, it's like your soul dies. Right? [00:40:45] Speaker D: Right. [00:40:46] Speaker C: This is what happened to me. So one thing I realized was actually what's better to go for, to strive for is peace. Because then you can invite in love. Right. But if it goes away, you're okay with it. [00:41:00] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:41:00] Speaker C: So you can bring in, you can let it go and you're at peace. It doesn't matter. It doesn't affect you, you know? [00:41:05] Speaker A: Yeah. The way I explain that is that, you know, we have really two sides of the coin. We have our ego excel, which is that attachment to love that you're talking about and that, that we need something from love. Like in, in that egoic setting, we're asking love to be a possession and, and we want to control the outcome of it. Whereas when you're tapped into your soul, the soul's true expression is through love, is through the vibration of love. And what comes with that is harmony and peace and wisdom and compassion and all of those things. So for you to say that, yes, you're. You're striving more for peace, that's because your soul is. Knows the difference and is going, I don't even need to. I don't need anything from love. What I am aligning with is the ornate reaction of our souls when, when we go into love, it does stimulate peace, which again, what I. What I love, not to overstay love, but what I really am connected to is when you do the soma work, it takes you to that place, it lets the ego quiet down and it really puts you in connection with your higher self, your soul. And that's where those feelings can be accessed when we can actually separate out and be in awareness of our ego versus inactive. So it's a beautiful gift that you're giving to the world that I know, you know, the impact, but I mean, the impact is so huge. It really is so huge. [00:42:45] Speaker C: One of the most profound tantrum practices I did actually was around love, actually, because in reality, like, if you marry someone, it's not going to be forever because either they're going to die or you're going to die. Right. So. [00:43:00] Speaker A: Or the relationship's going to die. [00:43:02] Speaker C: Yeah. You're going to break up at some point, whether they leave you or they die. Right. So. And this can be extremely traumatic for a lot of people. Obsessively in love with someone. Like, now I'm married, I feel it. You know, I feel that it's one of the biggest challenges for people. Let's say you're with a partner that you absolutely love, and then they cheat on you. It can destroy someone where they can't ever get back into their. Into their selves, their true themselves again. And they lose all their purpose and direction. They become apathetic. Happens to a lot of people, actually. [00:43:37] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:43:37] Speaker C: So in this Tantra community that I lived in, one of the practices is that you kind of get thrown into intimacy very quickly with someone. And often you will really like someone, right. You'll fancy them. And then the next day they. You get mixed up. And this is the first time I ever did it, so it was quite a shock. Then you get mixed up, and then you're not with that person anymore, and you see them with somebody else. And that brutality is so intense. This happened to me the first time I ever did it. The first few days, I was obsessed with this one girl. And we were passionately. You know, it was like I met a soulmate, kind of. It was great. The next day she gets with some other guy in front of me. Like, it was like such a transition. But that helped me to rewire jealousy. You know, jealousy is a. An issue of being in love with something. And then it gets taken away from you by somebody that you then become jealous of. Right. And that can be so triggering. It causes, like, a heart, of course, pounding with stress. Right. So having being able to rewire some of these imprints is a very powerful practice. This is what leads you towards gray levels of peace. 100% karmic programming that we all have. [00:44:57] Speaker A: Yeah. And again, I think it. You know, it's. It's funny because I've. I just went through that. I had a tremendous love, a soul, soulmate, deep connection. I've never felt love like that before in my life. And was planning that to be my life until, to your point, until one of us passed away. And he decided that it wasn't where he needed to be right now. And it shocked the shit out of my system. And I was very debilitated from it. And it was this moment for me, exactly what you're saying, where it was like, okay, Liz, you need to reprogram this because you never lost anything. I didn't ever have it to begin with. And how can I stay in love and celebrate the magic that I had with this person, as opposed to getting so depressed and debilitated and angry and sad and all the things that come with grief. Of course I had to go through those emotions. But what I sat with myself, and this is something I say often, but despite my desire, what would love do? And when I sat with that, I still want to love this person, even though, I mean, the love has changed and shifted and I don't plan on being with this person. But in my heart, I was suppressing love because I got hurt by it. And I realized, like, I don't want to live like that. I want to love this person on his journey and have it be beautiful. And yes, maybe that means we don't ever see each other again. Maybe it means we become friends. I don't know what it means, but in my heart, when I think about this human, all I have now is love. And it took a long reprogramming for me to get there, but that's how I wanted to be. And I think it's. God, it's really shifted me into a place of peace. To your point, it's beautiful. Yeah. [00:46:52] Speaker C: Yes. [00:46:53] Speaker A: If you could send a message to your younger self, like, even before you got the colitis, but, like, at any point in your life, from birth to your 20s, what's the message you would tell your younger self? [00:47:08] Speaker C: You know what, this question is always a difficult one because my life is so epic right now. And if you join the dots, who knows if it would be as epic as it is now if I hadn't gone through all the things I've been through? [00:47:20] Speaker A: Of course not. [00:47:21] Speaker C: If you tell. Tell somebody something at that age, it could change the course of that. That person's destiny. And, you know, sometimes it's better not. [00:47:29] Speaker A: To say anything, but is there a piece of wisdom or advice or, like, you know, it doesn't have to be like, okay, when. When the opportunity comes up, don't go this way, go that way. But is there anything that you wish that you now know that you wish you had a little more in you when you were a young kid navigating? I mean, even what you talked about, about how you came into the world into this kind of hostile environment, is there anything you wish that you just kind of came from now back to then and whispered to your younger self, like, hang in there or anything? [00:48:05] Speaker C: Well, when I was a kid, I was a very, very, like, shy, quiet like. And I had no confidence around girls. So, you know, if I'm going To be totally, like, honest, it'll be like, fucking man up, man. I love it because actually, most girls aren't, like, they're not as judgmental as you think. So, like, I think I could have got more out, you know, out of my system. Yeah, I love that because I was, like, very, like, afraid of women. [00:48:40] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:48:41] Speaker C: It's only when I went to university, all changed. [00:48:43] Speaker A: Yeah. There you go, boys. If any boys are listening to this. [00:48:47] Speaker C: I could have had more fun as a kid instead of all the way, way into university. But then also that could have distracted me from what I, of course, my skills as a musician. [00:48:58] Speaker A: Because, of course, I mean, kids are. [00:48:59] Speaker C: Out there distracted by women. I was playing my keyboard and that's what made me into what I am today, musically. So even now it wouldn't change, which. [00:49:09] Speaker A: I know, I know. And that's. It's kind of a trick question because we can't go back and change the past and the past happened perfectly because it didn't happen any other way. And it's always fun to think about, like, if I had just this wisdom come in and drop a little nugget. But I like that one. I like that you can always. [00:49:24] Speaker C: The one thing is that I was. I think I had a bad. I mean, I had a very bad relationship with my parents until when I qualified as a pharmacist. And a bit later on I started to get more closeness to my parents. But I think part of what I would have changed about myself is the hate for my mum and dad, the pain of that relationship with them is, you know, that's the bit where I. Because it caused a lot of inner. [00:49:53] Speaker A: Stress, I'm sure probably led to a. [00:49:57] Speaker C: Lot of your health stuff, rebellion, all that. So, yeah, I would have probably like, said, like, you know, your mom and dad are trying the best they can and it's not their fault kind of stuff. But. [00:50:08] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:50:09] Speaker A: What do you feel like the world needs more of right now? [00:50:12] Speaker C: The world is imperfectly perfect. It doesn't need anything more because it's really exciting place. But it does need. If it had to have something more, I would say unity. They're so divided, for sure. And the Internet is great for creating echo chambers. So there's some people who live in a completely different world, you know, in their minds than others and their beliefs. And this clash of belief systems is dividing people. Of course, you can see what's going on in America right now. Insane. [00:50:42] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:50:42] Speaker C: Then that's also quite exciting because from that war that's going to happen, it's inevitable. There will be a. There will be a very, very amazing uprising. Basically believe there'll be a. I'd always believe that all these conflicts happen to something greater at the end of it. [00:51:01] Speaker A: 100. We have to break down systems and circumstances to get to a bigger place that we're going. And yeah, we're in a time of truth. [00:51:09] Speaker C: So, you know, so when I say unity, like who are they going to be united towards? Which belief system. [00:51:14] Speaker D: Right. [00:51:14] Speaker C: So conflicts happen to determine what is the. The winning belief system that. [00:51:19] Speaker D: Right. [00:51:19] Speaker C: Is best for humanity. It's growth and evolution. So right now we're going to see which. Which beliefs works best. The feudal old archaic ba Robot belief system becomes free liberal. Actually truly liberal. Not like censored. [00:51:37] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:51:38] Speaker C: And you know that belief system. There's the two belief systems right now. [00:51:42] Speaker A: We'll see. It's all. All up for debate. That's for sure. [00:51:45] Speaker C: Love for debate. [00:51:46] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:51:47] Speaker A: Okay, so I'm going to just ask you a couple other questions. So your life feels meaningful when you can just fill in the blank. When does your life feel most meaningful? [00:51:56] Speaker C: My life feels more meaningful. There's two or three reasons. Times, you know, one is when I'm with my wife in the throes of passion. That's for sure. Two is just being with my daughter. Like, that's just incredible. [00:52:13] Speaker A: That's some powerful female energy in your life. [00:52:15] Speaker C: Yeah. I have a lot of amazing women in my life and including my mom. She's amazing too, who just called. And also when I'm making music, the creative process. [00:52:26] Speaker A: You're genius. I will say that. [00:52:28] Speaker D: I don't know. [00:52:29] Speaker A: You're not from this time. I don't know what time you're from, but I love all of the touch points that you've freed from your creative spirit. It's incredible. Your music's incredible. He Neeraj is a DJ that I don't even want to call you a DJ because you're kind of just on your own level of calibration. [00:52:47] Speaker C: But you're. [00:52:48] Speaker A: What. What is it? [00:52:50] Speaker C: Or a BJ for short. [00:52:52] Speaker D: What does that mean? [00:52:53] Speaker C: Breath dj. [00:52:54] Speaker A: Oh, well, yeah, yeah, you're that. But you also make incredible music as well. [00:52:58] Speaker C: But I'm a music producer. [00:53:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it's. It's incredible. [00:53:03] Speaker C: But actually, one more thing that gives meaning is when a instructor that we have a WhatsApp channel with hundreds and hundreds of instructors, when they post a testimonial of someone's life, they've changed. [00:53:18] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:53:19] Speaker C: And that happens almost every day. That is like, wow, that's epic. [00:53:24] Speaker A: That's what we're all here for. Is that right? So that's powerful. Okay. I feel whole. When? When do you feel whole? [00:53:33] Speaker C: I think that what I just said. [00:53:35] Speaker A: No, yeah, I would say that. And you pretty much feel whole to me just because of the journey that you've gone on and the work that you've done. You know, not a lot of people are doing the work that you've chosen to do to go sit in a cave for seven days like most people call you insanity, right? [00:53:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:53:52] Speaker A: So you've done powerful work to get to the wholeness that we get to experience now as the Niraj version, epic version. You are so. I think you're pretty whole. Okay, complete the sentence. [00:54:04] Speaker C: I am so my mantra that I used to say a lot is I still say it is I am whole, perfect, strong, loving, harmonious and happy. [00:54:14] Speaker A: There's the mic drop right there. [00:54:16] Speaker C: If you say that over and over, it's impossible not to feel good. [00:54:20] Speaker A: Can you say it one more time for us? [00:54:22] Speaker C: I am whole, perfect, strong, loving, harmonious and happy. [00:54:27] Speaker A: It's very similar to what I say. I love that. That's amazing. You are. I am all of those things. That's what you are. And then the last thing love is, just fill in the blank. [00:54:39] Speaker C: Love is level of vibrational energy. [00:54:42] Speaker A: I knew you were going to say that. I knew you were. I was like channeling that to you. It is that. That really is. If we can hold on to that definition of love, the level of vibrational energy, and if we can learn to pivot our lives around the practice of what that takes to really live, I think that's a beautiful purpose and intention for all of humanity. So thank you for bringing that to our lives. Thank you for being you. You are a genius. You're amazing. I love being able to co collaborate and play in this world and this place we get to call earth. So much more to come. And thank you so much for being here with us today. [00:55:22] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:55:23] Speaker A: All of Niraj's information will be below this episode. So tune in. You can jump into a Soma breathwork meditation. You can see where he is in the world doing music. And then I'll also link the Colostrum product because everyone has to get on that. So again, thank you. Be well, Neeraj. [00:55:41] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:55:43] Speaker B: Thank you for joining us on Came here to Love. I hope today's conversation has inspired you to live more fully align with your soul and spread more love in the world. Remember, love is the highest vibration and when we lead with it, we elevate not just our own lives, but the lives of those around us. If today's episode resonated with you, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, or share it with someone who could use a little more love in their life. And as always, keep tuning in for more heart centered conversations that remind us all why we are here to love. Until next time, keep living your light and loving with your whole heart.